The Season is Upon Us

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Nate, Bill and Leon chat about the start of the season with the first game at the new DAC for both programs in the rear view, feeling good about 1-0, what we liked so far and what we’re hoping to see in the upcoming week with Penn game.

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Welcome to Dragonscast

Nate H: Hello everybody and welcome to Dragonscast the Drexel basketball podcast. I'm Nate and we got Bill and Leon with us. So, um, I wanna spend a little bit of time before we got uh, started on the games cuz a lot of why I wanted to do this podcast was to talk basketball and I'm excited to do it.

Follow Up to Season Preview Pod

Nate H: We had a lot of great guests over the off season. That was awesome. But kind of wanna get down business and get back to talking about basketball. So, uh, last week we were less lucky enough to have Coach Shavas and Coach Jennings with us and, you know, just wanna spend a little bit of time recapping that and particular, uh, you know, um, and Leon had had mentioned.

Nate H: And Leon, you wanna kind of tell us about, you know, the, what you picked up on with Positionless basketball and kind of what you wanted to talk about as far as that?

Leon M: Yeah, I was, I was just a very surprised, but at the same time, not too surprised to hear them mention that kind of phrase a lot positionless basketball because you know, we think about Cam vendor leaving, we're like, Who's gonna be the point guard? We think about James Butler leaving, we thinking who's gonna be the center?

Leon M: But it's was curious to see that these guys are thinking more. Everybody's gotta be able to do everything. And uh, I guess, is that the basic definition Bill? Of what Positionless basketball translates to that everybody does everything like the kinda, everybody's a KD kind of.

Bill M: Yeah, I guess you're kind of just looking for, I mean, the nba, you get like a bunch of six, eight guys who can, you know, bring the ball up, who can shoot, who can do a little bit of everything. I think that's a little bit harder at our level to get those type of guys. Um, but they are doing that somewhat. Uh, I believe with, you know, we brought in a bunch of, I mean, Justin Moore, I thinks a, like a point guard basically.

Bill M: Bergens is a combo guard. Shane Blake is a combo guard. Kobe McGee can probably run a little point for you if you need it so that you have guys who can play multiple positions there. Um, I think our, you know, two through three spots are all interchangeable. They're basically just wings with maybe slightly different responsibilities.

Bill M: But then you have Amari at center. I mean, MA's not Amari's, not Running Point. Amari's

Leon M: I, I think he did run the floor on one of those.

Bill M: He did pick off a ball and take it the length of the floor. I mean, he , if you saw him in high school, he, he played guard basically. Uh, it wasn't pretty, but he, he played guard as, as, I didn't like him as much as, as I should have.

Bill M: Uh, it was because he was like shooting threes and dribbling around. It was like he was a big, not that great guard. But he got on a plane side and he's a beast. So, I mean, that's what we have in our hands. But yeah, no, I, I think we're trying to go that route for sure, but you still need a guy who can bring the ball up.

Bill M: It's nice to have Justin Moore who is a, you know, I think a pure point guard, um, and Amari back there protecting the basket. So, I mean, I think you're going like semi position list at this.

Leon M: Did you see something very similar when you did like that big, you had up that post and recruit recon with pretty much every player coming in? Did is that more kind of directionally seem what every program in the CAA is looking like? Um, more players that, more combo guards than say pure shooting guards or pure point guards?

Bill M: Yeah, I mean, I did see a lot of combo guards coming neighborhood than pure point guards, and I don't know if that's just like the talent pool that's out there now. Maybe there's just more guys who. Are bringing the ball up and they're more specialized on scoring than actually, you know, running or any points.

Bill M: Um, I guess if you're running certain offenses, you really don't need a guy who's just being a floor general. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I think there's, there's a lot more large wings I'll say. Like, I feel like when Bruiser was here, like the wing players we would get would be like, you know, f just six three, Phil GOs six foot.

Bill M: We got Dame and Tavan Allen, like they were 6, 6, 6, 7. But those were like rare, right? Like if you think back to all the wings we've had like maybe six four, mea. Now I just think maybe there's a lot more guys who are six six who can shoot the ball. 6, 5, 6, 6. I mean, we got a bunch on the roster now, and you look around the CAA and there's a whole bunch of guys in that.

Bill M: um, in that range. So like when you have a guy who's six six or like Lamar Oden, I guess you can put him at the four. If you have a, you know, six three, Chris f maybe you don't wanna play him at the four, you're gonna be more, uh, he's gonna be more playing strictly two, I would think. So maybe it's just the talent pool that's coming in these days and how kids are playing.

Bill M: Um, also even big men, like I think you've seen a lot of big men who. Shoot from the outside, there's, you're kind of losing that post game a little bit, which we've always had here at Drexel, so it's a little weird, but, and we do have Omar who's got that post game, so it's, it's nice to see that. I think it can still be effective, but teams seem to be going away from it, um, for some reason or another.

Bill M: But yeah, it's definitely the game of basketball, I guess in general is trending towards more, you know, positionless and getting guys who have a variety of skills.

Nate H: I was trying to remember that, that part of the conversation and, and cuz I remember taking one of the big takeaways I had cuz I asked specific, I was like, do you guys have a way you wanna play? And then, you know, like, because you spiker, when he coached biker when he came in, we were advertised this up and down running gun type coach.

Nate H: And we haven't really seen that. And they said, No, its kind of, we have to play the way we need to play with the personnel we have. I, and so I took, I took a little bit of what they were saying to say, We're not gonna take a kid and or player and put him in a spot. We're gonna put him where he's gonna be most effective.

Nate H: We're gonna take advantage of what he does well. So that's part of what I, I took away from it. Yeah. Not, and you, Right. Not assigning him as position, but more just putting him where he's gonna be most effective. I dunno if you guys took that away too from the conversation.

Bill M: No, for sure. I, I really like that because you don't really wanna reach for guys just to play certain positions. You'd rather, you know, get the best talent you can than kind. Build around that. Like make sure that you're maximizing their talent. So if you get a guy like Bergens, right? Bergens can play a little point.

Bill M: He can also, uh, run the, uh, you know, play shooting guard. So you got a guy who's versatile and you can play him in both those roles and he can be effective. Um, so if you just took them and tried to plug 'em in as like the backup point guard, not have 'em do anything. You know, maybe you're losing some of that value.

Bill M: So now I was really happy to hear them say that. Um, gives me some confidence that, you know, they're gonna always shoot for the best players they.

Nate H: I do hope though cuz I'm, and we'll talk about the women here in a bit, but, you know, seeing the first game and you know, and you know, Carlie, Lavell comes to mind right away. I mean, you just watch her play and you think Bailey Greenberg or how. I mean, she's got a long way to go, but she's that body type.

Nate H: Um, you know, you think of NFL teams and the great Belichick teams and they always had that slot receiver who could go underneath and catch passes. Like, you know, teams had those certain, you know, molds of players and they just kind of reloaded with that. So, you know, I like the flexibility. Then again, I hope we start to see some consistency.

Nate H: And what type of player coach Spiker wants. And you know, kind of putting that, that, that through too. So, um, at least with one or two positions. I know you're gonna have to be flexible somewhere, but then I haven't really figured out what, what is a Coach Spiker team? What is a coach biker's player? And what is, how does he utilize them best?

Nate H: Uh, I dunno if you guys feel that way too.

Bill M: I think it's changed a little since he's gotten. I think certain players have made him rethink about who he should bring in at times. I think even maybe like Austin Williams who kind of really showed that a shock locker back there can really help him out. Um, and now he has Amari. Um, and Amari really makes a big difference on the defense, right?

Bill M: Like our. Has gone from bad to pretty good, I think just based on, you know, not just, not just Amari, but having him back there cleans up a lot of airs. And so he started bringing in players like that too. Like Cole Harri is also another shot blocking big. Um, so I think that's kind of, you know, changed as he's come in.

Bill M: Um, I think he still wants shooters, you know, I think everybody wants shooters at this point. Um, but yeah, I think he's, he's getting there, but he is adapting. Um, as he, as he goes along, at least from what I can see,

Nate H: And the world definitely warned, Cause you said mentioned, we always had a big you you'd say, So that's a Bruiser Flint team. We knew what was coming. You know, you had, you know, elgar and battles probably the original one and Crawford didn't do as much of that, but. Sean Brooks. It was just a line of big men.

Nate H: Um, so, but, and it's tough in this role, IL and transfers to, to keep that consistency. So, um, but we'll see how that works out. So, um, also, and, uh, I, and, and saw you guys commented about the, the conversation with the DAC, Uh, I was impressed. I would say that the comment that we want teams like Penn, like Temple to come to us, you know, that they feel like the DAC is a, is a place.

Nate H: That that teams should wanna play in and that we should make them. We, we shouldn't sell for anything less. So how'd you guys feel about that?

Leon M: I think it was Coach Jennings that said it right. I, I loved it. I, I, I, I loved that he said that. It was, it was like one of those like, Yeah, if you, if you want play us, you come to our house. Like, why would you not? Right. Like, and for the longest time we would kind of almost, because I guess we felt like the outsider and the big fives.

Leon M: City schools, we would kind of almost placate these other schools and even play our home games at the Palestra, not just the home games against Penn, but also home games against like LaSalle or Innova or St. Joe's. And the, that didn't really change to where it's the latter. Very end of Bruce's career and now it's Spiker.

Leon M: It seems to be like, yeah, if you wanna play us, come to our house. And with the, with the DAC renovations that have happened that I'm sure we'll cover in more detail, uh, , there's no reason for people not to come to the DAC end. Again, it doesn't have the history of the Palestra, It's not as big, uh, uh, as the Villanova Arena, but the DAC is the DAC.

Leon M: It's kind of become its own very. Location in the city and it has its own vibe that like, isn't there an article on the Inquire about it or something? The Philly Inquirer had an article about the DAC? Or am I just imagining that?

Nate H: Rings a bell. I can't remember for sure, but yeah.

Leon M: Try to put it in the show notes if I can find it, but.

Drexel WBB Dominate against Rider

Nate H: Yeah. Uh, so really the, the first game in the new DAC, uh, was the Drexel women's basketball team playing on Thursday night against, uh, against Ryder. So, uh, we ended up winning this game 84 to 58. It was a little closer in the, in, in the beginning, like in the first quarter, and then he started Washington.

Nate H: She did what she does is really all you need to say. Uh, she at 26 points in the first half. She finished with 34 points on 14 to 14 to 22 shooting. And it's just kind of scary to think, you know, you're, you're watching her do you know score and you're like, Yeah, I knew that was gonna happen, but what about everybody else?

Nate H: Cuz I think that's what's gonna make her break the season. And I know for me the biggest thing was, was the play of the freshman, especially Kylie Lall, who had 20 points and efficient eight of 12 shooting. And then Grace O'Neill had nine points as well and gave us some really good minutes as a point guard.

Nate H: So, uh, we just, so I kind of was alluding to a minute ago, and you, you know, you don't wanna set those types of expectations. They're just freshmen. They have a long way to go, but you kind of see them filling the roles. Of their predecessors and, and it just, the way the, the, you know, the, the mill, I guess if you would use that word, works, uh, at, at, at Drexel women's basketball.

Nate H: So, um, that was interesting. Sta too, we, we had th seals were 13 to one in favor of Drexel. So just forced a lot of turnover though. That was one of my concerns. Losing someone like Hannah, Hannah I. Hill, who pressures the ball so well and we're able to force some turnovers, uh, but. Just a, a nice first win after last year when they came out and lost their first game kind of outta nowhere.

Nate H: Uh, this was at State Francis. I'm trying to remember who that random team was and then just went on a run the rest of the year, but, um, impressive gave from us. So, uh, but any thoughts that you guys had about it on Thursday?

Bill M: I like said the play of the freshman. I mean really, uh, I mean Kyle, the be was awesome and, and Grace. So Neil really ran the point really well too. I mean, it was just, uh, when you get that type of production, the first game for freshmen, um, I think you have something really to look forward to, uh, especially to mean a 20 point outburst in your debut game is.

Bill M: It's pretty impressive. I can't even think of a, another freshman that had that on the med side at least. I'm not sure about the women's side, but, um, yeah, no, it was a great game. I got to watch. Um, got to watch it. It was, it was pretty much a beatdown. It's fun to watch a nice beatdown once in a while.

Nate H: And we still, you know, and still some upperclassmen like, Hi, I thought she finished strong. And then, you know, looking for our post is gonna be important. And, uh, I don't think head of Saman had her best game, but I, I think she could keep getting better as, as the year goes on. Uh, so I, I think, I think, you know, I think I saw a comment.

Nate H: We didn't play as many people. I thought we played a fair number of rotation, was pretty deep credit. It wasn't the closest game, but even early, You know, we, we, you know, kind of, I thought rotated people in and out. So I think there's a chance for some good depth on this team as the season goes on. So, but yeah.

Nate H: Anything else as, uh, as far as women's game goes?

Leon M: I think Bill, I'd seen you mention this and I was just gonna bring it up now because the social media stuff that we did after even the game, they've been leading up to the game. Uh, the one that I think, uh, Marshall posted, uh, to maybe the Slack channel or something where they kinda had Khan being asked if.

Leon M: How she felt after dropping that many points. And just, there's, there's a different level I think of, uh, not just the quality of production, but also the number of, uh, social media posts that we were doing all of a sudden. Right. Would you agree with that or.

Bill M: Yeah, the quality has gone way up on the social media post. There's more. I feel like I'm more well informed on pretty much all the Drexel sports at this point, and just the graphics look better. Everything just looks more professional. Um, I think they're doing a great job. Uh, Pre and post game. I mean, they're doing like starting lineups, you know, graphics about the wins after the game.

Bill M: Uh, it's, it's been impressive.

Nate H: Yeah, I think I, I don't know how you guys feel as we go through this podcast. We're gonna say a lot of good things about a lot of people. A lot of things are, are headed in the right direction. And that's part of, just to throw this out there too, you know, I liked meeting with different people, having them on the podcast.

Nate H: I also wanna make sure people understand, I mean, personally I'm like, what are you guys Bengals fans or something? I don't, I don't what teams you wrote for.

Bill M: Now I'm a ra. I'm a Raiders fan. It's just a sad state of affairs right now.

Nate H: The whole NFL kind of stinks anyway. And even the Eagles are just fortunate cuz they're playing the whole league. Um, but I brought up a Philadelphia guy. We're gonna say when we, like you, we're gonna say, when we think you could do better, cuz we always wanna do better. So I, I don't wanna have our guests keep us from kind of sharing our opinions the way that we, we, we say what we think, let's put it that way.

Nate H: But what I'm saying, what I'm thinking this tonight when I say a lot of good things, let's put it that way. And, um, Well, I too on the women buckle up to have, you know, one of the. Women's basketball players in the country on our roster. And I'm gonna throw out there too, you know, Villanova too with Matt Siegrist.

Nate H: You know, she's, I forget, they hit a big game Friday night against uh, Princeton, which they won. So you don't have to go far this year to watch women's basketball and really good women's basketball and great players. And I bring that up partially too, cuz for some reason our. Tuesdays at noon. I'm looking at, I looked at their website to see if it was like an education day.

Nate H: It's not, uh, it's a, a schedule magnet giveaway. So I don't know how many people are gonna show up to get a scheduled magnet at noon on a Tuesday when it's not a holiday. So, um, I dunno, just a little odd with the scheduling, but, uh, but if you can make it out there, no, I can't, um, to check it out. Um, but anyway, um, it'd be nice to get a big five win Albert Atlantic 10 team.

Drexel MBB dispatch old rival ODU

Nate H: We'll see how that goes. So, Anyway, uh, we'll transition into the, the men's game. So, uh, they played on Friday night against an old friend, Old Dominion. And, uh, I think, I don't know about you guys. I kind of just went in without too many expectations and just tried to kind of enjoy the new DAC, the new atmosphere of the changes.

Nate H: But we were gifted with the. Uh, we won, uh, 71 to 59, uh, over Old Dominion. First half, uh, wasn't pretty. It uh, was, and you know, you think back to the old days with bruiser and, and a ca of rock fights as we obviously always called them. It was 30 to 20 at halftime, but I felt like. I actually surprised we made it to that.

Nate H: I mean, it just, both teams really struggled to score. Uh, and, but what the good thing I took away from that is I think old, old Dominion knew they had bigger bodies and they had bigger players and they really wanted to try to jam it down our throats and the paint and we. We took the blows and hung in there, um, and made them earn from the line, which they couldn't do, you know, they were seven or 12 from the line in the first half.

Nate H: We were 12 of 18, and then neither team shot the ball really well. Um, but we just kind of hung in there when they tried to jam it down our throats. And then in the second half, We got some big threes from Col Train, kind of right out of the chute. We forced some turnovers, got out and transitioned and before you do it, we were up double digits.

Nate H: Biggest league was 14 and uh, Col train was four of seven. From three thought they were all big shots. And then Old Dominion only hit three threes as a team. They were three of 12 all night. So really, Our guards in some ways, outplayed, you know, their guards. So, um, and had to kind of survive at the end.

Nate H: They made a run on us. We started turning the ball over. All of a sudden we did a nice job, I thought, protecting the ball game, in fact. Nine of, uh, well all game. And then in the second half, nine of our 13 turnovers were in the second half and kind of let them back in there, but then kind of gained ourselves back and then got, um, you know, kind of closed the game out, picked up the win.

Nate H: So, Um, so we'll start, Bill, what are your thoughts, anything in particular standing out for you about, uh, Friday night?

Bill M: I mean, I thought we had contributions from a nice mix of, you know, returning players. Then also the new guys. Um, I mean, Amari, I think delivered a performance that, you know, we expect him to, to deliver this year. What he have 16, 11, and three blocks, um, impacted a lot more shots than just those three for sure.

Bill M: Um, then you have Coltrane who seems like there's high expectations from the coaching staff on him for. Um, and he delivered as well. And then you have, you know, Jamie Bergens I think played pretty well. Um, I don't think he hit any threes, but he, he had a couple post ups, kind of similar to Xavier Bell

Nate H: Yeah, remind me of that.

Bill M: and, uh, you know, he ran point when Justin Moore wasn't in there.

Bill M: I think he thought he did a good job. And then of course, Justin Moore I thought played really well. I mean, he. Shoot a ton, but he made a lot of really good passes. Um, created some open looks for his teammates, didn't turn the ball over too much and, you know, was efficient with the shooting. So I think that, I mean, those guys really stood out to me.

Bill M: You know, I'd like to see more out of Lamar. I think he was a little quiet on the night. Uh, same thing with ERs. I mean, I. He's a little too passive at times from three. I don't know why. I mean, he's a really good shooter. I'd like to see him launch shots up a little bit more. But I mean, overall, you know, we got the win and, uh, a lot of guys stepped up first game of the year.

Bill M: I, I think, I kind of expected us to lose and we came through and put the game away and I'm happy with it. The student, the student turnout was really good from what I could see on tv. Uh, you know, hopefully that win will help keep bringing people back. At least, you know, sometimes when you have a big let down of, maybe people are less likely to return.

Bill M: So I think that was nice from that aspect.

Leon M: The first half it. We were sticking around, hanging around, right? There was a lot of free throws. The game was a little, little wonky where we couldn't really, or any, neither could ODU get in any sort of flow. And uh, you know, the pessimist Drexel fan in me was just thinking, you know, in the second half they're just gonna start hitting their shots and we're gonna probably not be able to keep up with them.

Leon M: But the exact inverse of that happened. But if I look at the stats sheet over here, like the rebounds, we were. They had actually more offensive rebounds than us. We had more turnovers. The the, it boiled down to the free throw line and they couldn't, They were really bad at the shooting free. They went 50% and that, I think at times it looked less than 50, a little less than 50%.

Leon M: But that, you know, I was not expecting that from an ODU team that I've come to expect that from a Drexel team. But we actually shot about 66% from the free throw line. It seemed to have made the biggest difference and the fact that Amari was a star. He, He, I think you already mentioned this bill, but the fact that we have Amari just allows our defense to be a little more aggressive, make some mistakes, and still look like we're playing amazing defense because he just comes outta nowhere and is able to get that block or help out and col train.

Leon M: And the first half he didn't get really going because again, nobody could get going in that first half the way. The rest of blowing the whistle the second. He looked incredible. The, the three point shots. He didn't have to make too many of them to put us up by as many points. The only thing that was concerning was maybe that five minute self, like, what the hell's going on here?

Leon M: Uh, that we couldn't score. They couldn't score, but we were able to put them away. And I don't know, I was very pleasantly surprised. And look at, again, number of players that everybody's on score points. Every person that played put up. And that's not I'm, that's a little atypical for me to see as a Drexel fan, but even Luke house man, like talk about heart.

Leon M: That guy, that guy hit a couple of clutch threes, but also he was just, you could tell the hustle he had out

Bill M: Yeah.

Nate H: little place. Thanks for bringing him.

Leon M: Not the Drexel's opening game I was expecting to see, but I'm elated to see it. I was very happy to see that kind of showing from the Drexel team. And, uh, hopefully it's a sign of more to come, even though Dan try has already mentioned.

Leon M: You know, first games can be fluky, so don't put too much hope on it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm ready to say, you know, we are NCAA bound already. Let's go

Nate H: Yeah, no, it really came down to who, you know, in the second half you're watching the first half, like somebody. Score who could figure out how to score. And you know, and I was sitting there, we have these three point shooters like you, you mentioned aros and um, uh, you know, kind of getting some good looks for them.

Nate H: And it'd be col training that we got the looks. So I'm thinking back, was that the coaching stuff? Did we look for more? Did we run plays to get them open? But either way, we did a nice job getting them enough looks to, to hit those threes and get us started.

Bill M: I'm really glad landed bring up house though, too. I forgot about him. And it's, it's crazy to get that type of contribution from a walk on at this point. And I mean, when we signed him, I really didn't think he was athletic to athletic enough to see this many minutes. And I just think he's, It sounds like he just works his butt off, like constantly.

Bill M: Like it's what the, the coaching staff will tell you every time, like they say he's living in the gym, um, they call him the machine. I mean, I think it's great to have that guy on a team, even if he's. Playing that much. I mean, just to have that type of worth, work ethic to drive other people, I think is great.

Bill M: Um, but he came on, he can really shoot and he's not as big of a liability on defense as I, as I would think. I think he actually, you know, went out there and wasn't bad. Um, so yeah, no, he, he's a pleasant surprise. It'll be interesting to see if when Blakeney comes back and it looks like Blakeney is hurt, I'm not sure.

Bill M: How hard he is or if he was sick or something, but he was not, he was not dressed for the game. Um, to see how he fits into the rotation. Cause I do think he'll see some minutes once he gets back. But Luke house definitely looks like he's earning some minutes for sure.

Nate H: We still have a big sample size, of course, of Justin Moore, but I was really impressed. I don't know how you guys felt about him.

Leon M: No, Justin Moore looked good. Uh, I was, uh, disappointed in the first habit cuz. Out a quick two fouls and he had to go out for a lot of minutes, but the second half and he actually was able to play a few more minutes. I think he only played, what, 24 minutes That game. He, he looked good, like again, he did not look like a freshman point guard running his first in, in a division one basketball game.

Leon M: He, he looked a lot more comfortable out there. He was able to get to the basket the few times he, you know, wanted to, I think a lot of the time he did look to dish ball and, uh, he, he had good vision out there too, like from a point guard standpoint. Uh, I, I think, I forget who it was. Maybe he was rolling on, on, on the Slack channel that mentioned it.

Leon M: Like, I think, uh, you know, he's seems to be like suiting right into our usual, uh, point guard kind of position that we have for four years at a stretcher at Drex.

Bill M: No, I mean, I thought he played really well too. I. He can take people off the dribble. He's really fishing with the shooting, you know, he's distributing the ball, he is creating for his teammates. Uh, I mean, like you said, the fouls the only thing you don't like to see. And especially like, they weren't like overly aggressive on the ball defending.

Bill M: I think two of 'em were on three pointers. So I mean, that's just like a mistake that you, you know, it's he freshman. Um, but other than that, he played, he played really well. He came with huge for the team, and hopefully he continues to develop and grow as the year goes on.

Nate H: You know, I really liked his passing ability and, and like I said, I'm. Comparing him to, You always need to be careful and definitely after one game again saying, Oh, they're the next cam, or they're, So that I actually, in a sense, so felt, I think that Billy, you mentioned before, I like kind of pass first, you know, and really, I think I wanna say his passing ability has the potential to be even better than Cams down the road.

Nate H: I mean, it's, it's a long way to go, but I mean, yeah, I liked every part of his game, honestly. So.

Bill M: Now I, I would agree with that, Nate. Crazy to say, cause I think Cam's like third all time on our , on the Drexel. But, um, I think he has that type of potential. And when I saw him playing high school a number of times, like there was games where he didn't really even score early on and he was still dominating just by, you know, distributing to his teammates and creating open looks.

Bill M: So hopefully we'll see more and more of that.

Leon M: And, and I think one thing that helped is I guess they went, oh, for five from the three point line in the second half. When, when that happens, I guess you try to go for the easy bucket. And one thing that I, the biggest difference I noticed from the years of your with, uh, with Spiker is that. There was no easy buckets to be found.

Leon M: Like there. There was there, there was maybe one play where somebody blew an assignment, but most of the time, even if somebody blew an assignment, there was no easy path to the basket for them to finish. And the fact that they couldn't get any easy points inside, just continued to force them to try to make difficult shots and they couldn't get a flow going at any point.

Leon M: I guess then their best player is McKay Long. Is that supposed to be their best?

Nate H: Allegedly. Yeah.

Leon M: Yeah. And he, like, he, he didn't, he had two points. I don't know if Bill, if you notice, maybe there was some shutdown D being played on him, but it just seemed like they couldn't get their offense going at any point. And I don't know how much of that had to do with not being able to make some of those, you know, three point shots.

Leon M: So you could actually kind of stretch the defense a little bit or what it was. But I don't know what you noticed. Maybe you noticed something.

Bill M: No, I mean, I, I would agree. The defense looked really good, and like you said earlier, Amari, you know, cleans up a lot of. Stakes. So, I mean, you allow, you allow your guards, your wings, whoever to play up, play more aggressive defensively. And if you do blow an assignment, you have, you know, six 10 monster back, they're ready to throw it back in someone's face.

Bill M: So it's, it's nice. The only thing that I think we did struggle with was the offensive boards, right? Like, I think they, they killed us on the offensive class, and that's the only easy bucket they had. If we could have prevented them from getting some of that, those offensive boards, it's even more of a blowout.

Bill M: Because that's really, like you said, they were struggling otherwise. That's really the only easy buckets they were getting was on offensive rebounds, tip ins. Um, and I don't know if that's, I mean, Amari grabbed 11 rebounds. I guess we just need, you know, someone else to, you know, help prevent those guys from getting those, those offensive rebounds.

Leon M: Yeah, they definitely had way more second chance points than us and more points in the paint like it, It doesn't. Like with all those stats, they should have lost the game. And, and, but, and the second half, we really just dominated odu. There was, they couldn't get anything going. And we had, we had a couple of great shots and the refs actually, you know, uh, let the teams play a little bit and a very pleasantly surprised to dispatch and old riv, old ca arrival, uh, you know, back, uh, to send the DAC Pack.

Leon M: So it, it was a great way to start the. And hopefully we can keep that momentum going. Uh, is, is there any player that you, I know you mentioned Lamar Oden, right? Bill, Like you were maybe expecting to see a little bit more out of him. Uh, do you think that was just because of from a minute standpoint or do you think he I thought the first 10 minutes of the game, I thought he played great when he was in there, but I didn't, just didn't see him do too much in the second half.

Leon M: And I know he played like 19 minutes, maybe it was just that he couldn't get anything going cause he's definitely a player. I think we were all hoping to make a leap this year for us to be good.

Bill M: Yeah, I mean, I think he's in, He was in foul trouble for some of the games, so that's probably why he was, His minutes were as limited. , but just one of those things you, you don't know because you're trying to get a transition from a guy who's basically, you know, shooting open jump shots. Um, because he is not the focus of the defense to a guy who's now gotta step up and maybe be a little bit more of a focus.

Bill M: Um, maybe not, I mean, with all the players who, who stepped up in this game. But, uh, but to see if he can, you. Do that. And I don't think he hit any threes, right? I think he had only had four points. Yeah. He only had four points. I mean, it was a couple nice takes inside. I thought he, he did, he did well, you know, scoring around the hoop.

Bill M: He just didn't hit any from three, um, but maybe couldn't get in the rhythm. Um, with all the fouls and, you know, first game, we'll see how it goes. I, I'm hoping he can be more productive as the year goes on.

Nate H: And I went for consistency. And I think our big issue last year is you'd have a guy out and would have, he'd light it up one game. Guy would go for, and I'm, I'm, you know, thinking a guy maybe score 30 points one night and then have nothing the next night. And this is up and down. So, and you, you hope a guy like Justin Moore who runs the offense and kind of looks for people and gets 'em in good spots, you know, you could take advantage of, you know, people every night and what they do well.

Nate H: So that's what I'm looking forward to. Hopefully we see some of that.

Bill M: I mean, I was a little. See any of, um, you know, ya Butler, I thought maybe he would play a little bit. Um, Kobe I thinks gonna struggle to see some minutes with how many wings we have. Um, and then it looks like Garfield Turner's really the primary back to, um, to Murray at this point, right? Like, we didn't see any cold hard grove.

Bill M: We saw no Terrence, but. Um, so I don't know if that's gonna, if that'll change over the course of the year. I mean, it probably will matter on, you know, injuries and, you know, who's playing well. But, um, and like I said, Blakeney has to fit into that rotation too, so I just don't know how much those guys will see, like if Blakeney comes back and, um, unless we see some sort of injury.

Bill M: It was just interesting to see who played and who didn't. Um, like I said, the only one was unexpected for me was, was Yame Butler. I thought he would play. I thought least some minutes. Oh, and one more thing I wanna talk about before we move on, anything else is, is the game day atmosphere there? Um, I didn't make the game, but watching on, on flow, the most noticeable difference to me was the lighting.

Bill M: I thought the game looked more like, like a professional arena with the new lighting. Um, I mean, they showed the scoreboards that, you know, the video board. But you know, just from watching online, it seemed to me that it was just, it just had a more professional vibe to it. You could tell, like during timeouts, you know, the lights were going down.

Bill M: There was some like spotlights going around. It was just, it just seemed much more, uh, professional grade than what we've had before. I know prior we couldn't even dim or turn the lights off. That took like 20 minutes to restart them or something ridiculous. So we were pretty much stuck with them design all the time.

Bill M: Um, but that stood out to me. I know we had a good student crowd too. A good student. So I, I think, I hope that we're building something here and just an overall more professional outfit.

Leon M: That filament, uh, in those light bulbs took a long time to warm up. Be once they, once they were warm, they stayed warm for a long time. You couldn't, you couldn't dim them or turn 'em off. No, you're you're absolutely right though. The, the, even watching the game, uh, on tv, you could tell it was the student section look packed, so that was great.

Leon M: It sounds like the attendance. 19, 19 was 1919. People in there seemed like the best attendance, uh, better attendance than any game from even last year. So it looked like people came, made it out to the game. And, uh, the a the screens that we have, the video boards, the little, uh, like dragon with the, what looks like dizzy eyes that they put in the background and they're shooting free throws.

Leon M: So it, it seemed like, you know, Actual basketball arena for once and not a high school gym that we've gotten used to that had its own kind of energy. But it was nice to see that and hope. It's always nice to get a win the first game, right? Like when you have that many people there, it's really disheartening when you, when you walk out of there Yeah.

Leon M: Hanging your heads with after a loss. So I was just glad to see that wasn't the case and hopefully that means that translates that, you know, to, to more attendance in the next game at the Penn game. We were two and a half point underdogs going into the game. So it's, it's, this is a big win. And, uh, again, it's only the first game, but, uh, at least we got the, you know, it's one game at a time, right?

Leon M: You guys were talking to Coach Jennings and Coach Az about like games down the line and they were like, we were just thinking about odu. And you can tell why now almost because.

Nate H: Dan was, I wasn't

Leon M: They were focused in on this game, man, you know, I think it made a difference cuz you know, we got a big win here, but the atmosphere was great. I dunno, what'd you think about the atmosphere?

Nate H: Yeah, no, I think you just put it perfect that it felt like an actual normal basketball game beyond going to see your high school play. You know, you could add up all the things, you know, like. I mean, my daughter picked up the Mario with the, the eyes with the swirls and that, you know, whatever you call it, roll in, whatever, which will work more towards the student section cuz there's the two sideboards.

Nate H: If you're, if you're coming towards Calvin's end, you can't really, um, they probably can't see it at the line. But, you know, my kids were on the dance cam. Um, you know, they had, you know, like a student running promotions at, you know, at timeouts. You know, and they had the ticket promotion to get in and I, I, I haven't followed up on the winter hat.

Nate H: Apparently there was some kind of winter hat giveaway. Um, by the way, the concessions weren't bad. I think it was like $3 for a hot dog, which, you know, these days is pretty cheap, so still not. Necessarily what you wanna pay, but, you know, we were kind of at a pinch, so we, we bought hotdogs for the kids, so it wasn't a big deal.

Nate H: But yeah, no, it's, and, and I think, yeah, as much as people pumped up the scoreboard, I completely agree. The lighting was what made a difference for me. And I, I didn't wanna get too political tonight, but I'm thinking there was a certain debate with a certain candidate who fortunately is recovering from a medical issue.

Nate H: And I was less worried about that. The fact that his top boat, top button of his suit jacket wasn't buttoned. And I was kind of like, you know, if you have someone who is having some other issues, You know, make his tie nice, you know, get his suit button up cuz you look at the guy next to him. Perfect tie, perfect coat looks, you know, so put together, um, or don't even try to show up in your hoodie in shorts, you know, but, but basically if you're gonna try, do it right, and, you know, I feel like we're closer now to actually doing it right.

Nate H: So to speak. And, and then exactly like you said too, to have a win on top of that. Uh, yeah, let's face it, you know, these days people wanna get behind winners. I mean, I am guilty with the phillie. Pride to some sense. You know, it certainly doesn't hurt that, that they won and got successful. At the end of Philly, people are like, Well, what, where do all these people come from in the playoffs?

Nate H: Well, they're in the playoffs. You know what I mean? Makes a difference. So, um, so that helps. So yeah, it really, you know, Greg and Maia and everyone else who we've had on this great job and, and you hope it, it continues and I, and I know it will cause I think we got good people in.

Bill M: I saw another good use of the scoreboard, uh, on social media though, was with, uh, Damian Lee coming back to the DAC. Um, I think they put like, welcome back up on the board and had in there they looked, made for a really. Cool photo shoot, I guess. And I, I hope next year maybe, I think if his schedule plays out, like it would be nice to have him at the dock for a game.

Bill M: I know it wasn't, it just didn't work out. Um, with his schedule this year, I don't think at isa. Um, I don't know if they played the Sixers again, uh, down on the road, but, uh, it would be nice to like, you know, shows highlights up there and, uh, and have like a big intro for him while he is actually at the game.

Bill M: Like, I think when he came last year, I think there's an announcement, but other than that, like you barely, you barely knew he was there. So having like something like that where, you know, doing something like a tribute video or something could be begging, um, you know, the video board could play into that.

Nate H: You just add up the list of things we're doing that we didn't do before. You know, I saw Cmy. Gibbons was there, Robert Battle was there, so hopefully they're feeling. More welcome to come back, you know, and, and as I'm thinking of other things we did, well, you know, it was Veterans Day. They had the, you know, the promotion.

Nate H: I, I don't know how many people took advantage of the free ticket, but at halftime, you know, we got to go out and I was worried I'd be the only one out there. But they, they must have linked up with the veterans group on campus. They had a nice group that went out at halftime and that went well. They recognized the women's basketball team.

Nate H: You know, you go to Penn State football game and. Media timeouts still bring out the other teams and recognize them in the end zone. So again, it's stuff you saw everywhere else that you'd ever saw at Drexel, and it's about time that it, it goes on here.

MOAR Videoboard and DAC Renovations

Leon M: That's awesome. That's awesome. And now, now that we're fully on talking about the video board, I think, uh, some of you guys, and Bill, you watching All Flow Sports. I was watching our NBC sports in the halftime. There was a nice five minute feature at just talking about the DAC renovations. I'm gonna try to find it online somewhere and try to see if I can put it on a show notes.

Leon M: But it had, uh, Coach Spiker, Coach Mallon, uh, coach, uh, as I think the wrestling coach. I'm gonna mispronounce his name, probably Coach Avi. And, uh, the athletic director, Maha Kelly, all talking about how this had been a long time coming, kind of making these improvements to the DAC and how much, uh, they hope that, uh, no, it's gonna change, uh, kind of the atmosphere of the DAC and, uh, and hopefully bring more people on, you know, more engaging for fans that are there.

Leon M: Did they like, did they, You said they did some fan cams, uh, Nate on, on Friday. So did, It did seem even on the NBC sports like kind of feed that they were like focusing in on more fans and they were reacting to it. I'm assuming that's what was also probably shown on the big video board. Maybe because it was almost like, you know, what you typically see at a sporting event where people see themselves on the big screen and then have big reactions to it.

Bill M: People love to see themselves up on the screen.

Leon M: Some people. I don't think everybody does.

Bill M: Well, if you're caught something you shouldn't be, maybe. But most people like to be up on the screen. And I think in the DAC you could show everybody, everyone could be up on the screen. At some point. You go to a Philly's game, you might not get on that board. Uh, at the DAC, everyone could be on the board.

Nate H: No. Yeah, I was, I like having my kids up there. I don't like being up there, but yeah, I get my kids up there is fine. So, And they made it Yeah know, bottom line. Can't say enough good things. And I think just a good atmosphere down there. So, um, I did, And Leah, you made what happened on the Old Dominion message boards, cuz that brings back memories too.

Nate H: I.

Bill M: I took a peek just to see, um, it seemed like it was mostly just self hating on their team. I didn't, I didn't see too much stress. One person said like, they used to dominate us, like, They were the conference, but then some other guy corrected them. He was like, The record was 12. And I like, It wasn't like they were just beating the crap out of us every time.

Bill M: Like it was actually a pretty good, pretty good rivalry. I remember those games being pretty good.

Leon M: I, I do remember losing to them a few times in the, in the tournament. I think in the tournament they always seem to have our number, uh, except for that one year, of course, when we went all the way with battle.

Bill M: I think there's a lot of years where a lot of teams remember

Leon M: That's

Bill M: throughout the, uh,

Leon M: Delaware, Townsend, No.

Bill M: bruiser years,

Leon M: team. Every team of the

Bill M: we played,

Leon M: Yeah.

Bill M: whoever we played, I mean, yeah, it was, uh, we'd always bring our A game in the tournament back in the day. That has actually changed under Spiker. I feel like we're, you know, actually winning games that we should be and not losing the first game of the year, first game of the tournament.

Nate H: I just remember their, I felt like their fans were always maybe the most angry, you know, VCU fans were just a little bit, and you can even see it on the, like if I watch a VCU game on tv, it's like, you know, a guy gets called for a foul and you can see the whole section buying him, standing up, screaming at the ref.

Nate H: So they're like just kind of overly, I don't know what the right word is, but the, As soon as the OD people seem kind of angry, but probably because George Mason had their run, VCU had their run and they were kind of left out. So maybe that was part of it, but it was, I was sit there, I'm like, Yeah, this is Old Dominion.

Upcoming Drexel v Penn Game and Rivalry

Nate H: Yeah. It kind of occurred to me, Right. You know, as we were watching warmups. Yeah. This is cool. Having them back. So, And it's a big win to beat 'em, you know. But either, anyway, um, so I, I guess, uh, you know, I wanted to kind of spend the balance of time here, uh, talking about this game on Tuesday night and, and more, You know, honestly, I don't know.

Nate H: I, I didn't get, The only thing I know about Penn is, well, they're O three. I should play Towson this afternoon. I didn't, I think it was ESPN plus game, so I didn't get to watch it, and they. Towson was up, I mean, I wanna say double digits. Most of the game looked like Penn closed, closed the gap a little bit at the end, but either way, Towson went into the plus or and beat him today.

Nate H: I was listening to the game Friday on the way home they played Missouri. Um, so I know is it, and hopefully getting his right name right, Jordan Dingle, their guard seems like kind of their standout player. Um, but well have you guys, What do you guys know about Penn? Have you watched him at all? I know, I really haven't, but um, they played a tough, I mean, I own as a good team out that conference, although host beat I own on Friday night, I watch a little bit of that game on flow.

Nate H: But, um, but either way, I think of Iona being a decent team, so they played a pretty tough schedule so far. Anything, any thoughts on Penn, at least from an XS and OS personnel standpoint?

Bill M: I don't, I don't know too, too much. I did watch part of the Townsend uh pen game tonight. Um, just to see what was going on. And you and Dingle took over at one, at one point. That's kind of what brought them back in. I think he had zero points in the first half and he ended up with 22. Um, really closed the gap on, on Townson in the second half there.

Bill M: But, um, you know, they pulled it out. Uh, who knows? I mean, it's always gonna be a good game with Penn. I think there's been years where I thought we were way more talented than them, and then we would go over to the Palestra and lose. Um, so you never know. What's, what's gonna happen there? Um, especially when we have this team that's kind of, you know, it's a new team.

Bill M: Um, they're still, it's still early, uh, for sure. So I'm not sure what to expect, but hopefully it'll be a good game. It's at the DAC. I'm really not happy that, I don't think I'll be able to make this one either, because those games are always fun. Um, for

Leon M: I, I, I don't. About the, you know, Penn as a talent for this year is, is this the first time we were playing Penn under Spiker? I don't think we played Penn right yet. Or

Nate H: I don't know.

Leon M: I feel like it's been a while.

Nate H: it has at least.

Leon M: and I think we've been waiting to get Penn on the, or trying to get Penn on the schedule for a little bit.

Leon M: I could be wrong, but either way, anytime we played Penn, uh, the fact that this is only there going to be their second time, Right. It's their second time coming to the DAC. And we've been playing them since, I think somebody put this up since 1920s. Not that we've, uh, we've only played them it sounded like 20 times, but still the fact that we've, this is only the second time.

Leon M: The first time it took them to, you know, it took us to get on ESPN for them to come. It was a ESPN game at 10:00 AM uh, you know, in 2008 that I remember pretty vividly just. We were too cheap to get a hotel room and we drove down from North Jersey and luckily Bill used to work at the Pico building, uh, down right on nine, what is it, 23rd Street Bill, Is that where it is?

Leon M: Uh, and, uh, he was able to buzz us and, and we just slept in the car. So, so, and then walk over, walked over to the game in the morning at 10:00 AM and they, and I think, uh, Falcon posted, uh, a clip on the Slack channel about, you know, just, just to sheer like. Almost disrespect, right? As for to Drexel from Penn that they wouldn't even bother.

Leon M: Like we'd go there and, uh, for our home game and we'd, we'd go there for away game to the Palestra to play Penn, which was ludicrous. I, I'm glad they're coming this year and it's, I don't know, is the battle for you. Remember there used to be a trophy for the battle for 33rd Street that I think Falcon, I gotta ask him about.

Leon M: Like this is, it's just a, to me, every time we play them, it's just because they're so close to us. It's, it's a fun rivalry game. It was, it was fun. Even we would occasionally win at the palestra against, uh, against the Penn team because, I don't know, there's something about really sad Penn fans that still makes me happy, I guess, and.

Leon M: And we would sometimes, there's so many stories I'm thinking about like the big five classic that used to happen back in the day and we'd be going to Penn and the pen ticket lady would try to boot us from our seats That entire DAC was sitting in that we , we literally, like, again, we were students, so I think we got the tickets for free at the time, but it was like we, we were sitting in the seats we were supposed to sit in and we'd still get kicked out of there because we were being, uh, maybe a little too rowdy, but the pen he fans wouldn't be held to that same standard.

Leon M: So,

Bill M: I think that was supposed to be a home game for us too, Leon, like that was supposed to be our home game, and they were trying to boot us out of our own, our own seats from our home game.

Leon M: So it's, it's never, it's, it's a team that I always enjoy, uh, beating. So I'm hoping we bring our A game. I I will be there, you know, and I, I, I hope you bring our a I hope it, you know, again, after that first game, I hope the student section's packed again. Uh, So it should be a fun, fun game. I hope. I know there was, Marshall posted some pictures of all the old rollouts for that 10:00 AM ESPN game.

Leon M: I hope we have their star player's name is Dingle. Did I hear that right? I think, I think uh, the DAC Pack should be able to work something with that. Uh, but so I hope they bring their a and you know, we get, we sent pen back into the other side of Justin Street.

Nate H: I guess I hadn't thought, Well, first of all, I mean, I love these kind of games. I remember conversations on all message boards and I talk about, you know, the, the playing your, your local teams, your, the guys down the street. I know people would say it's not that big of a deal. I mean, I, I don't know. I feel like these are the kind of games that sports are based on.

Nate H: You know, Eagles, cowboys, Yankees, red, so. You know, and, and you know, and admittedly we've, you know, it was interesting. We were walking out of the game on Friday night, my son, who's eight, you know, he, he, and I think I said to him like, Man, I'm excited for that pen game. And he's like, Well, who's, who's Drexel's rival?

Nate H: And I'm like, We, you know, we don't. I mean, we call 'em rivals, but I don't know that they really are, you know, Delaware, Like you ask somebody on Delaware's campus, are they really gonna worry about Drexel? No. And honestly, even Penn, um, you know, I don't know that, that they're gonna get too wound up. But, but, but then again, I was like, I, I said to 'em, like, and I pointed, we were coming down 34th street towards like, you know, where you get on the subway to cross over to Wawa to the parking garage.

Nate H: And I pointed, you know, basically to the next block down the street. And I'm like, Evan, that's Penn, right? And then I was like, And you see where we parked our car. And I'm like, You go across in this, in this garage, and you go across that alley, that's Penn's parking garage. So I was like, I have a bad arm, and I could throw something on the Penn's campus from here.

Nate H: And I was like, You know, you can't get a closer rivalry anywhere in the country. So, I mean, and, and for all these things you talk about, you know, that again, it's like, Oh, we're Penn and, and you know, you can't not feel like an underdog, you know, going against those guys and how they think they're better in their Ivy League and whatnot.

Nate H: And we've all been successful getting our Drexel degrees. So, you know, and, and you have to know if, if, if we beat 'em, it's gonna get under their skin a little bit. They won't admit it, but you know, it'll bother 'em. This is what being a fan of a college team is about. And even though they might, they might not act like they care.

Nate H: Uh, we can make this a big deal. I hope it's a full house. I hope people are wound up for the game and I'm just really looking forward to it. I hope it's a night that the students, like you said, that they remember, cuz unfortunately they haven't had that type of night. And then, and again, it is something across college sports too.

Nate H: I feel like the rivalry isn't what it used. Like Texas, Texas a and m went away cuz they changed conferences and that sort of thing. Kind of taken robberies for granted. Um, but again, I'm, I'm excited. I hope everybody else is cuz you know, it could be a great night on Tuesday. So.

Leon M: On NBC sports again, right? I think this game's being aired, so you know, hopefully more and more people can make it, but. It's also on the local sports channel, like two, two, uh, Philly teams playing each other. It's, it should, it should make for a fun, fun evening,

Bill M: Putting that flow money to use. Right. At least we're getting some local TV games up. Seems like they got a bunch. I, I forget what the number is, but it's, uh, it's more than I remember previously. Um, how that pays off for you? I'm not sure, but I, I like to see that it's on, you know, TV that people can watch.

Nate H: It was always that debate, at least related to, you know, flow with sprint car racing out here. People are like, is it keeping people from going to the game If they could sit at home and watch a race on flow, or are they gonna not go to the game? But I feel like, you know, you live in Philly and you could take public transportation, it's pretty easy to get down there.

Nate H: So I don't think it'll have too much of an impact, but it's. People. Yeah, maybe they can't get down there on a weeknight and they're tuning in that way. But I still expect we still have a chance to have a big crowd, and I hope people come through. That's all I'm saying.

Other Drexel WBB and MBB Upcoming Games

Leon M: And, and I think we are here recording on a, on a Sunday. Hopefully get this out on Tuesday morning. But before we record next, we're also gonna play, uh, the powerhouse that is Arcadia. Uh, so, you know, let's just hope we. Uh, that game just gets forgotten about as soon as we play it. But I think the women, You mentioned LaSalle already, right?

Leon M: That we play and we also play at the University of Maryland Eastern Shore. Before we record again, I, I know based on your hope, uh, for this year, Nate, that's gonna, We are, we're gonna be three and oh by then, But, uh, did you have any thoughts on, uh, I know you mentioned a little bit of the Lasal game or about the LaSalle game and the Maryland Eastern Shore game at all.

Nate H: Yeah, I don't know. Out those teams. So I just hope I can watch 'em. Hopefully I can get there Saturday. I say Acadia beat us, or was it, were they the ones that beat us or was that us? P I'm trying to remember one of those teams beat us,

Leon M: I thought it was usp.

Nate H: One or the other. It wasn't a good look. So, um, just to say, I, I remember, and I'm not a junkie, like Bill, Bill does a great job researching, but I think I looked up, uh, you know, like, uh, Arcadia and they had one player who was like on a first team.

Nate H: So at least whatever Mac conference they're in, they've got some good players at that level. So yeah, we, we can't take them too lately, but hopefully it is a get right game or continue to get better game, let's put it that way, depending on how Tuesday goes.

Bill M: I mean, you hope that type of game's a blowout. You get some players more run than they would typical. To get, Um, I don't know. That's, that's about the best . The best I can hope for is that, you know, some players who don't get minutes, get those minutes so they can least showcase what they could possibly do.

Bill M: I don't know what else to take away from those type of games. If you, if you, if you don't blow 'em out, it looks bad. If you lose, it looks really bad. Um, there's really nothing that great to take away.

Nate H: So I can't, can't say it enough. I know I'm not the most excitable guy, but um, I am very excited for Tuesday and I hope everybody comes out and is ready to go. Cuz I hate Penn and I wanna win that game.

Bill M: We all do.

Nate H: yeah,

Leon M: Let's beat Penn

Nate H: all right, we'll see you guys. We'll see you guys next week hopefully with a few wins.

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